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The best Concerto

Postby Guest » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:05 pm

Personally concerto no 2 is my favourite because the 2nd movement came to me ina time in my life that was unlucky in romance, and beacuse i love playing it. But even though this concerto certainly is the most popular rach one and maybe even the most popular piano concerto of all time, I believe that no 3 is his greatest one.

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Postby studdman » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:59 pm

I wish I could play it! I am forced to play the MP3 player instead! :)
The only time I was able to hear the 1st movement was from a friend of mine who happened to be a concert pianist. He played for me the first half of it. I tell you it was great watching his hands move all around the keyboard! I was envious!

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Postby morakeo » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:04 pm

I think the 3rd is a more personal concerto than the 2nd. And also the 3rd is a dramatic concerto. He personally adored the 3rd and was his favorite one. But the 2nd was and still is more popular. A young lady once asked him what inspired him to write such a beautiful work as the 2nd Piano Concerto. Rachmaninoff looked down at her and replied gruffly, "Twenty-five rubles."

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Postby wombat » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:27 pm

I really love the 3RD concerto. I think it was one of his virtuoso moments!
The first time I heard it, it was also the first piece of rachmaninoff i listened to.

It really struck a chord with me, you know.
I never heard such a style that rachmaninoff has. The opening is so light and breezing, and just like waltzed in, and the concerto built up to such splendour and unbeliveable drama ( It was played by horowitz too. )

I wish i could study it.

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Postby morakeo » Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:37 pm

Horowitz is unique with his Rachmaninoff. From the early 3rd with Coates till his last with Ormandy, this pianist was a Giant. And at the beginning of the piano part in the first mvt., he writes commodo which means simple. And as you noticed, what a brilliant structure does he built upon that theme.

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Re: The best Concerto

Postby Daniel » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:00 am

The 3rd is not just a concerto. It's story, a novel if you wish.
But one must admit that the original version of the 4th is above.

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Re: The best Concerto

Postby StewH » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:50 pm

Daniel wrote:The 3rd is not just a concerto. It's story, a novel if you wish.
But one must admit that the original version of the 4th is above.


Daniel,
Now you know how much I like the 4th, but I'm not sure I would rate it higher than the 3rd. It (the original 4th) is certainly a step forward and beyond the 3rd, but as we've seen elsewhere on this forum, there are some admittedly weak spots in the 4th, which, however, in no way detract from the overall appeal of its music, at least in my humble opinion!
StewH

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Postby Marianne » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:01 pm

morakeo wrote:A young lady once asked him what inspired him to write such a beautiful work as the 2nd Piano Concerto. Rachmaninoff looked down at her and replied gruffly, "Twenty-five rubles."


I guess this is a lie. Because the main reason of creating this music was his deep depression because of his unsuccesful 1st Symphony, he even used the help of the hypnotist. That hypnitist was musician and played the cello for SVR, his name was Dahl and the 2nd concert was devoted to him.
May be he composed other works for money (though I doubt that) but obviously enough not this one.

I love all four concerts. But 2nd and 3rd are my favourite.

I think that Concert № 2 contains the idea of overcoming (especially the beginning), personal overcoming of some problems, depression and so on. And because of this it is hugely popular, as it shows the strength to life. In Russia it is usually played to commemorate the grief of the Second World War, and the same way it was created to show the overcoming of the personal problems, it shows the overcoming of nation problems, or let's say mankind problems in general - the problem of war.

By the way, have you ever heard the 2nd concert by Nickolay Medtner, it resembles the 4th concert of SVR so much!!!

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Re: The best Concerto

Postby Daniel » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:59 pm

StewH wrote:Daniel,
Now you know how much I like the 4th, but I'm not sure I would rate it higher than the 3rd. It (the original 4th) is certainly a step forward and beyond the 3rd, but as we've seen elsewhere on this forum, there are some admittedly weak spots in the 4th, which, however, in no way detract from the overall appeal of its music, at least in my humble opinion!

:D :D :D
Let me put it this way:
The 3rd will remain forever the music of my heart.
On the other hand, putting the original 4th in the context in which it was created, considering the different world Rachmaninoff was living in and looking at it from the technical and structural points of view, I see it, as you said, beyond the 3rd. By any means it is so far from being a regress, as some ... (you fill in the dots) considered at different points in time.
And yes, it has weak points.
Just thinking... did you hear the Three Russian Songs op. 41? They were written at the same time. I didn't spot any weak points there. And he lacked confidence about them. "Who would want to hear three songs in a barbarian language?" he lamented. Well, I hope he can hear me up there... I would!


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