stephen hough's recordings

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stephen hough's recordings

Postby da REAL Comme_le_Vent » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:15 am

very unique today - they are played alot like rach himself wouldve played them, in a direct and passionate , yet with minimal 'wallowing' and generally faster tempi, more sober feel etc.

is this the right way to play rach?

or should we all play in the indulgent and overtly emotional way?

i am in 2 minds about this, and actually enjoy both methods of interpretation.

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Right way to play rach?

Postby studdman » Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:30 am

Is there a 'right' way to play Rach? :? Is there a 'wrong' way to play Rach? Well, one would have to find the premise what is the 'right' way, first of all. Every virutsio has their own style of performance and how they interpret music. A great pianist can express themselves well through other people's music. In my years of listening to rendition's of Rach, I have found that 75%-80% of the performed work is very close to how Rach himself would have played it. But, we know that Rach liked to improvise some of his work when he performed. I know that Rach 3 has several different versions, and he reworked his 1st Piano Concerto a few times as well, well after their initial release. I hear several different renditions of the opening measures in Rach 2, as well as Prelude in C# minor. The one that I was the most familiar with was Vladimir Ashkenazy's version (that was my first Rach CD). Then I her a few others (to which wasn't as good), then I purchased the Ampico Recordings and heard how Rach played it. Quite different in places, but still very much the same as Vladimir Ashkenazy. My opinion on the matter is that whatever version(s) floats your boat. But I have to say that some pianists should stay away from Rach, because they just can't play him well. :roll:

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Postby Euph » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:35 pm

The only person that can ever play a piece to perfection is its composer. I like most versions of His works, but there is just something special and deeper about the way Rachmaninoff plays His music that I can't explain in words.

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Postby Guest » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:55 pm

a natural interpretation is almost always more effective than a contrived and "overtly emotional" one. too much of anything is bad.

and what is overtly emotional anyway?

is it louder?

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stephen hough

Postby shinchan » Mon May 30, 2005 12:19 am

I was present at his live performance. He and the orchestra sounded rushed and tried to outpace Rach. I was not impressed at all.

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Re: stephen hough's recordings

Postby shinchan » Mon May 30, 2005 12:26 am

da REAL Comme_le_Vent wrote:very unique today - they are played alot like rach himself wouldve played them, in a direct and passionate , yet with minimal 'wallowing' and generally faster tempi, more sober feel etc.

is this the right way to play rach?

or should we all play in the indulgent and overtly emotional way?

i am in 2 minds about this, and actually enjoy both methods of interpretation.


I disagree. In my mind Julius Katchen/Georg Solti is still the best Rach 2. Hough doesn't sound like Rach, but rather trying to outpace everyone.

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Postby Guest » Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:34 pm

Wait.. you were *at* one of Rachmaninov's life performances? (Correct me if I misinterpreted.) That's amazing.. could you tell more about that?

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Stephen Hough Rach recording

Postby Shinchan » Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:30 pm

Hough was at Dallas last year with Andre Litton/Dallas Symphony. I attended his performance for 2nd and 3rd concerti. I believe the recording he recently released was recorded live. The Myerson center in Dallas sounded fine and so did the orchestra. But Hough sounded too rushed. His tempo was too fast. Even faster than Rachmaninoff. Changes in passage were almost too abrupt and mechanical. To me Litton/Hough's reading outpaced many recording I have known, but lacked convinction and precision of Solti/Katchen, smothness and authority of Rachmaninoff and horowitz, passion of Argerich.

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Postby Guest » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:18 pm

I think that Hough is an absolutely phenomenal artist techincally and he gives us an insight into how masters like Listz and Beethoven apparently played. But having said that I don't like the way he rushed the opening of the second concerto.

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Postby morakeo » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:36 pm

I have to disagree with the impression that the only person that can ever play a piece to perfection is the composer. The composers are less than the ones that can do this. Take for example Stravinsky or Tippet or Xenakis. On the other hand, take Rachmaninoff, Boulez... It depends. Mitropoulos' performance of Prokofieff's 3rd Piano Concerto can't be compared to Prokofieff's own. Hadjinikos' performance of 'Rite of Spring" can't be compared to Stravinsky's. I believe there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way because if there was a right way then that would be the end of that. Only one recording of each work by the musician who plays it 'right'. The main essence is to discover the meaning in the music. Not the meaning about the music, but in the music. There is no 'right' way. Each person has its own way of expressing him or herself. Once you get the meaning then you'll express it with your personality. Horowitz's performance of Chopin's 4th Ballade is unique as well as Arrau's, Rubinstein's, Moiseiwitsch's and many other pianists'. Aren't all of them 'right'? I dought if you could find more similarities than differences.

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Re: stephen hough's recordings

Postby Daniel » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:09 am

Another notorious example of a composer who was far from being able to play his piano works: Ravel.

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Re: stephen hough's recordings

Postby Marianne » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:14 am

Are there any records of Ravel playing his works?
I know the records of Grieg playing his works, Gershwin, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Skriabin...
But never heard of Ravel... Where one can find them?

As for Stephen Hough's recordings - when I listen to them it seems to me that I watch a cartoon, may be that's because of his choice of the instrument? What piano does he usually play on?

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Re: stephen hough's recordings

Postby Daniel » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:48 pm

Marianne wrote:Are there any records of Ravel playing his works?

Yes, there are. But I have no idea about how to get them.

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Re: stephen hough's recordings

Postby mikhailp » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:41 am

Could a person who had written such a difficult and fantastic concero for the left hand really not have been able to play it himself??? :?:
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Re: stephen hough's recordings

Postby Daniel » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:29 am

Oh yes!
He went to the consevatory with the specific aim of becoming a virtuoso pianist, not a composer. And as things didn't turn out the way he wanted, we can find his "revenge" in the way his piano works are written - many of them against the piano, not for it.
I like Ravel. He was a genius, without any doubt. Yet his piano writing does not have the logic and complexity of Rachmaninoff's. Ravel was a master of unexpected harmonies, but Rachmaninoff surpasses him with his ability of making so many voices move at the same time across the keyboard. Ravel understood perfectly what a piano could technically do. Rachmaninoff's advantage as a great pianist was that he also felt it.


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